Bush to lead Katrina investigation
US President George Bush is to lead an investigation into how the Hurricane Katrina disaster was handled.
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US President George Bush is to lead an investigation into how the Hurricane Katrina disaster was handled.
September 9th, 2005 at 2:39 am
Like any decent manager, he wants to know if, how and where his people messed up. Before the Bush bashers get started, ask yourself what you would do if your employees had gotten into this situation.
September 9th, 2005 at 2:56 am
Manager?! Yeah, right. He & his government messed up and he’ll also cover it up.
September 9th, 2005 at 3:09 am
Good manager or bad manager, the position of president is the ultimate management position in our country.
September 9th, 2005 at 3:15 am
Lord help us all!
September 9th, 2005 at 3:24 am
I wonder how these people who are complaining would have handled the situation,or the next one which will be soon, if the weather is correct?I guess these three Hurricanes, if they occur will be Bush”s faulth to!
September 9th, 2005 at 3:24 am
It really isn’t that bad. He only has three years left. Part of the beauty of our country. The position isn’t for life.
September 9th, 2005 at 3:43 am
there is a picture of all the school busses (HUNDREDS of them) that the DEMOCRAT mayor did NOT use to evacuate all those who did not have the ability to evacuate via automobile. By the way, this goes out to the Bush bashers, disaster preparedness is YOUR responsibility. Most of the people there did absolutely nothing to prepare for this disaster. That does not make it their fault but their inablilty to prepare has certainly compounded the problem of getting food and water to them. If they would have had just 72 hours worth of supplies on hand there would have been 10 times fewer casualties. Everyone likes to blame Bush for their flat tire or broken finger nail but there should be an INDEPENDENT investigation so that the ineptitude of the Governor and Mayor will be exposed and then all the Air America radio listeners can have a nice glass of shut the hell up.
September 9th, 2005 at 4:25 am
A survey released today by the Pew Research Center says:
The American public is highly critical of President Bush’s handling of Hurricane Katrina relief efforts. Two-in-three Americans (67%) believe he could have done more to speed up relief efforts, while just 28% think he did all he could to get them going quickly. At the same time, Bush’s overall job approval rating has slipped to 40% and his disapproval rating has climbed to 52%, among the highest for his presidency. Uncharacteristically, the president’s ratings have slipped the most among his core constituents Republicans and conservatives.
However, the public also faults state and local governments, as well as the federal government, for the response to Katrina and its aftermath. While 58% think the federal government has done only a fair or poor job in reacting to the devastation along the Gulf Coast, about half (51%) give sub-par ratings to state and local governments in Louisiana and Mississippi.
September 9th, 2005 at 4:26 am
But if you really want to know what people are thinking, try this:
Go to www.Google.com.
Type in “failure.”
Click on “I’m feeling lucky.”
September 9th, 2005 at 4:29 am
One more thing about the Democrats and Replublicans:
Before his election, Nagin was a member of the Republican Party. Nagin did give donations periodically to candidates, including President George W. Bush.
Days before filing for the New Orleans Mayoral race in February 2002, Nagin switched his party registration to the Democratic Party.
Not that it matters.
September 9th, 2005 at 4:34 am
my point is…no one can say what they would have done..Bush is doing all he can in a crappy situation..give him the benefit of the doubt..there is really nutting he can do.other than donate him time and money…..ITS TIME FOR AMERICA TO COME TOGETHER IN THIS TIME OF NEED!JUST BE THANKFUL U ARE LIVING..CAUSE MANY FELLOW AMERICANS HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES!R.I.P!GOD BLESS AMERICA!
September 9th, 2005 at 4:39 am
Jameria, I agree. Bush is doing all he can given constraints placed upon him by the Constitution’s tenth amendment.
September 9th, 2005 at 4:39 am
Bush is going down the tubes fast!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a_85Pjjx7jAQ
September 9th, 2005 at 5:01 am
go to google.com and type “ASS” and click “I’m feeling lucky
September 9th, 2005 at 5:12 am
Excellent
September 9th, 2005 at 5:13 am
okay here it is…
http://hammeroftruth.com/2005/09/03/i-need-500-buses-man
September 9th, 2005 at 5:16 am
www.imagineneworleans.com
I hope there will not be another hurricane to hit the USA.
topcat
September 9th, 2005 at 5:27 am
Jimbo, Nice.
September 9th, 2005 at 6:14 am
Bush’s IQ is reportedly 91. This is below the average IQ of 100 for our population…normally a person with that type of IQ is not executive material. Yet here he is President of the USA!!
The mayor screwed up; I don’t know about the governor.
Bush replaced the leadership at FEMA with people that obviously cannot do the job. (this shows he is NOT executive material ) lol …to replace proven leadership with political hacks.
Personally I do not approve of Bush, his motives, his handling of our country. His toughness (Iraq) when his ass is not on the line.
I just havent seen any good from this administration.
As you all know they thoroughly botched Iraq. Do they get fired? No, they get promoted….what a farce!!!
Q
September 9th, 2005 at 6:16 am
Where W gets his famous sensitivity:
“What I’m hearing, which is sort of scary, is, they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were, were underprivileged anyway. This is, this is working very well for them.”
- Barbara Bush after touring the refugee camp at the Houston Astrodome.
September 9th, 2005 at 6:23 am
I agree with Jimbo, in that the investigation should be an independent investigation, along the lines of the 9/11 Commission, but for very different reasons.
NO ONE should investigate themselves.
Bush is as much a “defendant” in this drama as any of his appointees, AND as the Louisiana officials. Even if you are a Bush lover, you must agree that in any investigation Bush is not going to find himself to blame. Whatever came out of that investigation would rightly be called a cover up. Many people screwed up in this tragedy, and it will take a dedicated counsel with no personal involvement to unravel this ‘he said / she said / they said’ mess.
We cannot afford to NOT appoint an Independent Investigator. Tens of thousands of Americans died, and this tragedy is an embarrassment across the world. An investigator will probably uncover widespread ineptitude in MANY of our government agencies and officials.
September 9th, 2005 at 6:27 am
Jeff, While that may not have been the most sensitive remark in the world, there is some validity to its contents. I heard an interview with an evacuee in Houston on NPR yesterday afternoon. She and her family lived in the Elysian Fields area of New Orleans (the name is not indicative of its qualities according to the evacuee). She was looking at this whole disaster as an opportunity to get her children out of New Orleans and into better schools and a better neighborhood. Glass half full.
September 9th, 2005 at 6:35 am
New Orleans Lady, I agree. Bush and Congress were both responsible for FEMA falling under the Dept. of Homeland Security. If that move in some way paralyzed FEMA’s capabilities to respond to disasters, we need to know that.
I’ll lay odds that one of the primary problems that will be “uncovered” will be the communication grid going down. If no one can talk, not much can get done. The governor thought the mayor was doing something. The mayor thought the governor was doing something. The feds thought something was surely being done at the state and local level. But, no one with any authority could talk about it. Power was out, so television and media reports were probably unavailable in Louisiana where the information was most critical. Yep, every emergency response team should be equipped with a Ham radio set and an operator. There you go. Problem solved.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:02 am
Mellie, what the hell?
“While that may not have been the most sensitive remark in the world, there is some validity to its contents.”
??!!
That’s gross. We’re done. Bye.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:37 am
I guess someone finally told Bush there was a storm and pointed out the Gulf Coast on a map for him.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:50 am
Andres what proven leadership are you refering to?
September 9th, 2005 at 7:52 am
Let us not forget all the hurricanes thet hit Florida last season…Brown was in charge then too…Where are the complaints? There are none because local government did their jobs
September 9th, 2005 at 7:55 am
Jeff, How is that gross when some of the evacuees are looking at this as an opportunity to do something better for their families?
September 9th, 2005 at 8:05 am
Jeff, One more thing. Many of the evacuees were homeless before the storm. Now they have an opportunity to start over with assistance. They can get housing and jobs. How many people in this country have wished they could have a do over for their lives in general? Here is an opportunity for people to completely reinvent themselves if they want to.
September 9th, 2005 at 8:45 am
we’ll all sit around and complain about or offer insight around katrina in some form or fashion and pretend to have learned something while we don’t notice the stories slowly being spun into neat, well delivered, impactful soundbites for or against your candidate in the 2006/2008 elections and the judicial nominations in between - of course bush won’t directly be a target (becuase he won’t be running) but many presidential/congressional/senatoral candidates & judicial nominees will be, by simply being non-socially-liberal, drug through the pile of images being erected around bush. and this will be effective exactly because there are so many images to stir emotions with. and as this goes on right under our noses while we continue to be the person who pays such great attention to the desparate plights of victims and the lessons within it all a huge earthquake will strike california and we’ll be caught with our pants down once again. just like in NYC. just like in New Orleans. and after the fact we will all once again have incredible insight into what everyone did wrong.
September 9th, 2005 at 8:52 am
andres,
don’t be a fool and throw stuff like that around (’iq score’ - sep 9 6:15am). its open, reported material, bush’s aptitude scores (as well as john kerry’s from the military) were reported on. bushies ol’ scores were significantly higher than kerry’s. kerry alomost fell out of his chair when chris mathews asked about this on a prime time show. makes me wonder…hmmm…why did the administration never bring this up….?
September 9th, 2005 at 9:04 am
The blind leading the blind in this case
September 9th, 2005 at 9:32 am
Proud American, I live in Florida now, but I was born in New Orleans. I spent most of my adult life there. I left New Orleans to move to Florida 16 years ago when I married my present husband. I went through three of those Florida storms last year. I also went through Hurricane Betsy in 1965, and through Hurricane Camille, in the New Orleans area.
There is no comparison between the effect of any of those three storms I went through in Florida - - - or between ALL of those Florida storms - - - and Hurricane Katrina. Hurricane Betsy was much weaker, and even Hurricane Camille was a lot weaker. Hurricane Katrina was a super storm.
Mississippi is doing very well in their storm cleanup, considering all. Part of that is because WITH the exception of the awful Storm Surge, they were not completely under water. You can accomplish a lot more when you are not dealing with a massive flood of toxic water.
For years studies have been done, reports were written, and Scientists tried in vain to warn our central government of the potential disaster inherent in the Scenario of a serious hurricane coming into the New Orleans area from the South. They were laughed at. Literally laughed at.
Did you watch “Meet the Press” last weekend? Some of those scientists who were laughed at by FEMA were in the panel on that show. They spoke about the specific dates of those warnings given to FEMA, and to Mr. Bush’s “Brownie.” They reported on the readiness exercise by FEMA last year, when universities and municipal agencies in New Orleans and the surrounding areas helped FEMA enact a flood scenario (and the aftermath) from a fictitious Hurricane, Pam. FEMA blatantly discounted the information these professionals gave them in that exercise. These scientists said that the FEMA representatives literally stood in the back of the room during a presentation by these scientists, and laughed at the seriousness of the scenario being presented. FEMA (and the administration) simply did not believe what they were told would happen by these scientists.
I get angry when I hear the administration say there was no way they could have known this was going to happen. Even before I left New Orleans, 16 years ago, we all KNEW this could happen. Again and again, in the past many years, this scenario has been put forth by professionals. Again and again they believed what they wanted to believe, instead of the science.
Plenty of mistakes were made at ALL levels. I think heads should roll. And those heads should come from ALL levels of government, because they were all to blame for the deaths of these tens of thousands of people.
I’m sorry if I seem to be ranting here. I am still trying to locate some of the friends and relatives lost in the storm and the aftermath. THAT is the reality, not all of the fluttering, hypocrisy, and posturing we are watching.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:14 am
Just like to remind PROUD AMERICAN….”Let us not forget all the hurricanes thet hit Florida last season…Brown was in charge then too…Where are the complaints? There are none because local government did their jobs”….that was also an election year…and Jeb was governor.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:18 am
New Orleans Lady, I hope you find all of your loved ones safe and whole.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:28 am
Want to know where the government was? Bush was at the ranch and didn’t leave until 3 days after Katrina hit. The vice prez as usual was no where in sight. Congress was on August break…(Don’t they have another from Thanksgiving until New Year…they vacation too much) and most shocking, third in command Condoleeza Rice was spotted vacationing in new york two days after Katrina hit at Farragamo on 5th Avenue purchasing a multi-thousand dollar pair of shoes. When a woman raised her voice to her “How dare you shop for shoes while thousands are dying and homeless”, Condoleeza had the woman removed from the store by security. Then she went to a Broadway show that night. Any one checked out the resume of the Bush appointed head of FEMA…another shocker…he has absolutely no qualifications. Was fired from judging Arabian horses. No photo ops are going to make this go away. The Bush administration should have been taken down and impeached long ago. It seems ironic that an extreme low pressure system in the gulf…an act of God..is what will finally take them down.
September 9th, 2005 at 12:15 pm
Andres, whatever Bush’s IQ is (and I am certain it is not 91), it is higher than Kerry’s. Google it, you should find it. When someone mentioned to Kerry that Bush had a higher IQ, Kerry responded, “I never said George Bush was stupid”. So let’s just lay this rumor to rest once and for all. Regardless of what you think of either of them, IQ is really not an issue.
September 9th, 2005 at 12:27 pm
US President George Bush is to lead an investigation into how the Hurricane Katrina disaster was handled.
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Hahaha! His own actions should be investigated first.
Smart move, but this won’t save his sore ass.
September 9th, 2005 at 5:57 pm
Well said, Jimbo?
And Bush’s IQ is reportedly 91? Puleeeze….! And who leaked that little tidbit? People with IQs of 91 do not generally attend an Ivy League school.
Let’s not start spreading more rumor and innuendo. There is enough truth to dismay everyone!
September 9th, 2005 at 6:44 pm
midwestmama,
Why not ask a Floridian where FEMA was last year before you make any more assumptions about what help we got. You see, there are these things called a local and state evacuation and disaster plan to follow–and then FEMA comes in as support after the first response is executed. Trust me, the ‘cavalry’ was not here any quicker. We may have wished it could have been, but it wasn’t supposed to be.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:02 pm
Tell ‘em MissD. I live in Florida too, and I went through three hurricanes last year.
Hurricanes are a seasonal occurrence in the Gulf south, just like blizzards are in the North. You prepare as best you can, and just deal with them. Most of the time you are lucky, and they veer off at the last minute. As a teenager I went through Betsy and Camille. The flooding from Betsy stopped only a couple of blocks from the rented house I lived in then. As I mentioned, last year my family went through three of the four Hurricanes here in Florida.
We live in a rural community, and mostly we and our neighbors took care of ourselves and each other. We had to cut a path with a chain saw to get out of our driveway, and I was without power for almost three weeks after Ivan. Not so bad, looking at Katrina’s aftermath. The power outages were less for the other storms, but it wasn’t FEMA who got our power back, or who fed us. Electrical workers showed up from across the nation to help us restore the grid. We did get some water and ice, days later, from local Firemen. FEMA showed up eventually, but not in the immediate crisis.
We in Florida were just lucky that those three hurricanes wweren’t as bad as Katrina. Had any of them been a Cat 4 or Cat 5 we would have been in serious trouble too - though not to the same extent, since we are above sea level here.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:11 pm
New Orleans Lady,
Thanks. Do you live in North Central FL?
September 9th, 2005 at 7:22 pm
quote:
Carolina Says:
September 9th, 2005 at 12:15 pm
Andres, whatever Bush’s IQ is (and I am certain it is not 91), it is higher than Kerry’s. Google it, you should find it. When someone mentioned to Kerry that Bush had a higher IQ, Kerry responded, “I never said George Bush was stupid”. So let’s just lay this rumor to rest once and for all. Regardless of what you think of either of them, IQ is really not an issue.
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Pul-eeeeze. Who cares what either of them have inside their skulls? IQ doesn’t mean they have BRAINS! What have they DONE? Who have they delegated important jobs to? Were those managers good at their jobs, and what did they accomplish? What were the results?
Those questions are the important ones, and THAT is why an investigation of this crisis, and an investigation of the dismantling of FEMA in the past several years are important. This administration is supposedly protecting us from the threat of terrorism. That is a surprise event that needs quick certain response. In this catastrophe they have proven that they can’t respond properly to an event that was announced three days in advance. They have proven that the emergency response we all thought we had waiting in the wings is instead seriously flawed.
As for the politics of the matter, Iraq dominates our budget. For the last many years running, the necessary renewal, repair, and maintenance projects for the levees of New Orleans were cut in favor of spending in Iraq. The Bush administration allocated $100 million in 2005 to the “Garden of Eden Wetlands” restoration at the mouth of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in Iraq. But they couldn’t find money to maintain our own infrastructure.
The Corps of Engineers had proposed beefing up the levees, but instead the Corps’ budget and manpower in Louisiana were cut. FEMA’s budget was cut and they were downgraded from a cabinet position to being supervised by the Department of Homeland Security. The directorship of FEMA has been given to a series of inexperienced unqualified people in the past several years. Time and the Washington Post have checked the Brownie’s resume and the resumes of his top managers. They were ‘plumped’ up. NONE of them had Emergency management experience, in fact Brownie has a history of being let go from responsible positions… But Brownie does have a history of being a good donor to Bush’s campaign.
The result of those actions, and these decisions by the Commander-in-chief is what you are seeing in Louisiana. Not good results, I’d say.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:25 pm
I live in Lake County, FL.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:43 pm
Can anyone say OJ Simpson?
September 9th, 2005 at 8:08 pm
New Orleans Lady,
I’m in Marion–hello neighbor!
September 9th, 2005 at 8:37 pm
bushs i.q is probably high most good liars have high iq.i bet hitler had i high i.q.
September 9th, 2005 at 9:18 pm
the whole thing about IQ was brought up by some dumb liberal back in the clinton days. this person tried to “estimate” IQ’s based on how many writings they did. They tried to give Kennedy an IQ of 140, Carter an IQ of 150 and of course they gave Clinton an IQ of 190. But they tried to give all the Republican presidents an average IQ of less than 100. This thing was spread through spammers like wild fire and since liberals let feelings trump facts, they just believed it because they heard it.
“WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING… except ending slavery…oh, and naziism…and of course fascism and communism.”
September 9th, 2005 at 11:14 pm
FEMA Director Michael Brown gets the boot for his royal screw-up! Just waiting now for Chertoff to follow suit!
September 9th, 2005 at 11:34 pm
Bushisaloser get your facts straight…Brown is still head of FEMA..only removed from hurricane relief effort
September 9th, 2005 at 11:52 pm
For the ignoramus that stated everything was peachy in Florida after three hurricanes last year, let me assure you it is NOT. Many, many people are still waiting for the promised “assistance” from FEMA. Also, NONE of those storms even came close to the intensity or severity of Katrina. It also doesn’t take a goddamn rocket scientist to see that “red” states get the assistance while the “blue” state starves and drowns DUH…Nice to know one of Bush’s top priorities was sitting on Trent Lott’s rebuilt porch someday…Poor Trent lost his second home to Katrina. Nice to see in true Bush administration fashion that Brown’s bio that was released is full of lies about his experience, imagine this, he has NO experience in disaster relief lmao…He actually got fired as an adminstrator for Arabian horse shows. Typical incompetence being rewarded by Bush…Hell, he’s an expert on it, hasn’t he failed at everything he’s ever done and still gotten elected twice? Makes you wonder about the IQ’s of the US citizenry to be honest
Kristina
September 10th, 2005 at 12:18 am
I think Bush just out right sucks.
Yes, I also think he’s racist. He doesn’t care about the people at all, since they are black and poor!
Now if they were rich and white, he would had rescued them immediately.
September 10th, 2005 at 12:20 am
Gee Proud American, I wonder why they removed him from Hurricane Relief Effort - maybe because he didn’t make much of an “effort”
September 10th, 2005 at 12:20 am
Kristina My My
September 10th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Umm, Kristina,
Following your theory, would you please explain why FL (as you readily admit) didn’t get the assistance you mentioned? What ‘color’ stste would FL be??
Do you think that perhaps MS and AL actually followed their state and local disater plans and that’s why things are a bit smoother? People were evacuated to shelters, etc. Things are by no means smooth, but when you actually follow the plan in place, it makes getting the help to the right areas a bit easier.
September 10th, 2005 at 12:57 am
HOWARD DEAN IS A RACIST, how many “non white” people did he have working for him when he was Governor, thats right ZERO. Okay i dont think dean is a racist but i hate when people say that “HE’S A RACIST.” BUT liberals always use that line, when they know they are losing a debate they say:”Yeah, well, you’re just a racist.”
the democrats have brainwashed black people into thinking that they cant get ahead because they are black.
I would like to see just ONE black leader come forward and adress the real problems facing the black community:
1. Black people have the highest high school drop out rate.
2. Black people have the highest illigitimacy rate (Over 50%)
3. Black people have the highest teen pregnancy rate.
4. Black people have the highest drug use rate.
5. The high rate of Black on Black violence.
6. Black men have the highest incarceration rate.
All of the above problems are related and interconnected, and related to Rap music.
The sooner the Black community accepts the above as truth and acts to correct it the better off they will be.
September 10th, 2005 at 1:03 am
Jimbo,
I do believe that Bill Cosby ( I know, he’s an entertainer, but an educated one) had his head handed to him and was demonized by other black leaders for addressing exactly what was in your numbers 1-6.
September 10th, 2005 at 1:54 am
MissD, That hasn’t stopped Cosby from speaking out whenever possible. You’ve gotta admire him for that.
September 10th, 2005 at 1:57 am
Proud
american…Witt is the name and he is now working for the governor of Louisiana.
Carolina…Didn’t know Kerry was such a dim bulb…but have you watched Bush answer questions he has not been prepped for? A disaster.
Intelligence does matter…
They say Bush”s style of governing is to appoint people and let them do the job. I think in Bush’s case, thats basically because he is so ignorant of so many facets of the world around him.
If its not ignorance, sthen he is obviously an anti social personality.
September 10th, 2005 at 2:30 am
Mellie,
I absolutely do admire him. It bothers me when other black leaders bash him for his stand on family and accountability. What I was trying to say is that when a leader does try to address those issues, the others demonize him and call him a racist as well. I truly admire the fact that Dr. Cosby doesn’t give up.
September 10th, 2005 at 2:33 am
I think we all agree there were problems. But, I think the majority of the blame goes to the victims families of other areas. Why did they not help get there family and friends out. They could have wired money, etc.
September 10th, 2005 at 3:02 am
Julie, I’ve been volunteering at a shelter helping survivors. Sometimes their families in other states would have welcomed them and given them a place to stay, but an invitation was all they could afford to send. In other cases, New Orleans residents who could have gone to relatives’ homes wanted to stay. They had lived in New Orleans always and couldn’t imagine abandoning their homes. In either case, the Red Cross is purchasing plane or bus tickets to get them to their loved ones now.
September 10th, 2005 at 3:10 am
MissD, I taught in a predominantly african-american high school for several years where there were large numbers of students below poverty level, both anglo and african-american. Poverty and its affects do not discriminate. Across the board, parents of those students fell into two categories. Those who wanted their children to do well and have a better life and those who were afraid that if their children left that small town to get a better education they would never come back. There is an entire culture of poverty out there with its own distinct world view.
September 10th, 2005 at 3:45 am
Mellie,
I agree. My son attends a magnet school middle school program that is housed on the campus of an inner city (as much as that can be in Ocala) middle school. The magnet program requires much additional work and a cooperative partnership between parents and teachers to enable these 6th graders to reach their potential. The difference between the parents who seem to see even a middle school education as optional and those who will make any sacrifice to help their children achieve is very apparent-and as you mentioned-poverty’s effects know no color. I’d never thought that a parent’s of fear of their child leaving and never returning as a reason for lack of parental support for education, but it makes so much sense. I’m curious as to your thoughts on No Child Left Behind and proficiency tests such as Florida’s FCAT. Do they actually serve to help children at risk or do they tend to create more pressure and cause more students to run from education because their parents may be willing to help but are unable (due to their own educational limitations or the aforementioned fear) to do so?
My daughter works as a tutor for our community college’s Student Support Services and tutors economically needy and/or first generation college students. I’d never heard of providing first generation students with additional support, and yet that makes so much sense as well.
September 10th, 2005 at 5:22 am
MissD, I think we all need to ask why we are giving so many tests to our students. In many cases, I don’t think that the tests are fair evaluations of student knowledge or achievement. Not all students are good test takers. I was fortunate. Standardized tests were easy for me. My brother wasn’t so lucky. We got the exact same education, and his class grades were comparable to mine. But, if you just looked at our test scores, you would have thought he needed remediation.
I also think that the emphasis on testing may be keeping teachers from teaching outside what students need for tests. In some districts, teacher salaries are being tied to how well their students do on tests. The Dept. of Ed. says don’t teach to tests, but if your salary and job depend on the achievement scores of your students, you are going to teach to the test.
I’m supportive of the idea of No Child Left Behind, but in practice, whenever there is an attempt to improve education, there are no quick results, and we are a society that expects things to get better now. Look at it this way, if I raise standards for first graders this year and keep raising standards as those same students make their way through their public school experience, I won’t see any results for 12 years. No Child Left Behind, and all educational improvement plans that have come before it, aren’t willing to wait 12 years to see if it’s working. Students graduating from high school in 1983 were the last students to leave school with more knowledge than their parents had at graduation. We’ve been trying to correct that trend ever since with no notable result. I think we have to take a long view of education and be willing to wait that 12 years to see if something works or not. At worst, the students get an education comparable to what their parents got, but if a plan actually works, we reverse a downward trend.
It does make sense that parental fear of losing their children to the larger world keeps many parents from encouraging higher education. I can’t even pretend to understand the reality of these parents’ lives. I’ve worked with them, and I sympathize with them, but I can’t understand the mindset anymore than I can understand the mindset of the “old money” in this country. They live in completely different places than I do for all that we share a nation.
September 10th, 2005 at 6:40 am
My apologies to Bush for thinking his IQ was very low…You cant blame me too much..he actslike he doesn’t know much…I guess that comes from not being a reader. Read the article on Google …very interesting…of course he may have burned his brains out on drugs and alcohol later in life.
September 10th, 2005 at 6:41 am
Jimbo….how many blacks in Vermont?
September 10th, 2005 at 7:08 am
I saw some snippets of Bill Cosby’s presentation when he was recently speaking in my state. He was wonderful, straightforward and direct –and still compassionate. Those who slammed him were not willing to face the truth IMO. And Cosby is one of the funniest people eve, even after almost 40 years of comedy. God bless him!
September 10th, 2005 at 10:14 am
Julie Says:
September 10th, 2005 at 2:33 am
I think we all agree there were problems. But, I think the majority of the blame goes to the victims families of other areas. Why did they not help get there family and friends out. They could have wired money, etc.
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Julie most of these people were born and raised in New Orleans. So were the majority of their family members and friends. The extended family is part of the New Orleans culture. The bus system in New Orleans was one of the best in the country. People in the greater New Orleans area frequently didn’t own a car. People who couldn’t afford a car still could efficiently get anywhere they wanted 24/7 using Public Transportation.
Plus, you are talking about at least a hundred thousand people. Imagine evacuating that many poor people in less than 24 hours - the amount of time left when they KNEW for sure that the storm was going to hit.
*wave* Nice to meet you MissD.
Yes, there WERE problems with FEMA last year. An example: Roofers from other states (including Louisiana) were sent home instead of being allowed to work here, because they did not do roofing the way FEMA wanted them to do it. There is STILL a shortage of roofing contractors, and many buildings here in Central Florida that still are wearing blue tarps.
If you did not witness NBC’s special 2 hour Dateline this evening, then be sure to catch it in rerun. It’s theme is “Katrina: what went wrong?” … and it does an excellent job of examining the facts.
Another thing mentioned on Dateline is that an Iraq War style blackout for the press is now in place, including no pictures of the dead. Maybe I am paranoid, but I have to wonder if we are going to get an accurate count of the dead, now that there is a press blackout.
The press had free access to reporting the situation from the beginning, and the spotlight was too much for the powers that be. They reported the TRUTH, globally. Obviously we are to be kept in the dark about anything else that might come up. What we don’t know won’t outrage us.
September 10th, 2005 at 10:21 am
Jimbo in NORCAL Says:
September 9th, 2005 at 9:18 pm
“WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING… except ending slavery…oh, and naziism…and of course fascism and communism.”
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Actually all of those ‘cured problems’ still exist in our world. Use your favorite search engine to find them.
There are those who point to our lock-down since 9/11, and the suspension of Constitutional freedoms through the “Patriot” Act, as a move toward Fascism for our own government. Time will tell.
September 10th, 2005 at 11:51 am
Let’s forget about the fact that the P. is sending damage control over the weekend talk shows, parents to Houston from New Orleans and let’s go to the tanned and rested from vacation so long it would embarass the French, initally flying over the devastation in Air Force One, promising prayers on his way to San Diego for social security promises. When he actually arrived in Louisiana a few days later, he reminisced about going to New Orleans “to enjoy myself, occasionally too much,” (thinking it was a fundraiser) looking forward to sitting on Trent Lott’s new porch.
The P. found $454 million for his Alaskan Republicans to build two bridges to nowhere, but not for levees everyone but him knew were cracking. The P. intervenes but only when there are a lot of cameras and potential political gains, such as Terri Schiavo, when the P. ran back from his ranch in March saying “it’s your money, not the goverment’s,” he cut taxes for the weathy, which means less money for boring things like disaster relief.
The P. praises his point man for doing “a heck of a job”, he may even get, along with Paul Bremer and George Tenet, a Medal of Freedom to hang around his neck instead of a noose.
How much like them are the rest of us? In 2000 we found Al Gore and his 10-point plans long winded compared with the affable frat boy rescued a checkered career by family and connections until he was running the Rangers and Texas itself, we watched as the P. created and compounded the tragedy in Iraq, and rehired him anyway. Now, we see that you better treat government with respect. You never know when your life-political or otherwise-might depend on it . I hope this isn’t too winded.
September 10th, 2005 at 3:24 pm
Bush repeals Davis-Bacon Act
Now Bushys budies who get the contracts to rebuild will not have to pay the prevailing wage in the devistated area.What better way to keep the poor,poor.Instead of the ones who lost everything having a chance at a above poverty wage to help in rebuilding,they will be exploited like a Walmart employee.All I have heard is that americas companies are rolling in cash from the resurging economy.What better way for the rich to get richer.
September 10th, 2005 at 8:35 pm
impeach bush or we will go down with him
September 10th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
Mellie,
Thank you for your insights. They have really enlightened me, and I’m grateful. Blessings to educators everywhere.
I will say that on a smaller scale, the results can be evident in the short term. It may indeed take 12 years to see the overall impact but, our school district began placing additional emphasis on grades 1 through 5. and focusing on fundamentals (for lack of a better word). The benchmark FCAT testing is done in grades 3 and 5, and the results clearly showed us that the same students showed significant improvement two years later. I realize, as does the district, that may be of small comfort to a high school student today, but at least it’s a start.
September 11th, 2005 at 3:54 am
In a country at war, under the threat of terrorism, how is it that we seem so unprepared to deal with an event that require large number of people needing basic services? I mean, its not like Bush is responsible for the hurricane, however, our lack of preparedness (in light of home security and all the “other” so called security measures) borders on total incompetence! Please, do not tell me he is not at fault. As another President once stated ‘The buck stops here.’ Republicans are responsible because they run every branch of the federal government, and have for most of the last 20 years. If Clinton was still in office, I’d be just as angry at him over the federal response as I am President Bush.
If Bush was CEO of a private business whose employees acted in such a negligent manner and that behavior caused additional death or suffering the company would be held responsible as should Bush and all others on a federal, state and local level.
Its one thing to have an act of god, but its not like we have NEVER had a hurricane before, nor did the authorities NOT have time to prepare for an eventuality that was predicted in detail in a national geographic article several years ago! Again, an eventual event, (like a storm) is a given and out of our control, but the lack of PREPAREDNESS is NEGLECT, DERELICTION OF DUTY and INCOMPETENCE plain and simple! The state requested federal assistance days prior to the storm notifying Bush that they would not be able to handle the aftermath on their own. Lousiana was declared a diseaster area by Bush prior to Katrina hittting.
Logistics should have been worked out in advance between local, state and government levels. It was foreseeable that communications, electricity would be down. Why was there no rations of food and water placed in shelters by FEMA, the state, or local officials prior to monday?
Please remember whatever his faults after being told about the potential for flood conditions in Lousiana and NO, Clinton ordered a study and found that help was needed. He ordered a 10 year project (in 1995) to fix it. the army corps of engineers began the project that year . Bush yanked the funding for this project for budget reason. Realistically even completed it is not likelly that the upgrades would have prevented all of what had happen but it might have limited the destruction and deaths that were foreseeable.
Bush once said the government “is set up to respond very quickly, and we are.” Well, this government failed to do his own mandate and the failure falls squarely on his shoulders for the decisions of hiring, budgets and numerous other factors. The only way an effective oversight report of this tradegy can occur is if it completely non-partisian and performed by an independent committee that has nothing to fear from any political party.
September 11th, 2005 at 4:37 am
The people didn’t leave when they were told to.
September 11th, 2005 at 4:40 am
I don’t think the problem is so much finding an independent committee with nothing to fear as much as an independent committee with no ax to grind and nothing to gain.
Independent and nonpartisan are by no means synonymous.
September 11th, 2005 at 5:25 am
Armyless,
I think that it might be beiing to simplistic to state “people didn’t leave when they were told to”. You fail to take into consideration the individuals who were simply not able to. There were many reasons why that happened, failure of state and local government, lack of money or place ot go to, and dependancy on others to make that decision for you (unless you feel that those in a hospital or assisted living facilities were able to make that decision on there own) are just a few.
MissD,
I agree with you. In order to gain any useful knowledge from this tradegy whoever reviews it must be a person with no ax to grind and nothing to gain. This might be impossible in our society today.
It is my belief that the citizens in NO were neglected on all levels of government. There is plenty of blame to go around. What worries me the most is if with 4 days prior notice and advanced declaration of diseaster status from our Federal government the response is this shameful, what will happen in case of a nuclear or biological threat. As i remember this senario was played out in our last presidentail race as being a vital concern. If this is an example of our prepareness that heaven help us all.
This in not the time to bash one set of political beliefs or the other, but to realize that we have a failed system that is a threat to all regardless of their political beliefs. This is a great country and we have much to be pround about but the response to Katrina is not one of them.
Cheryl
September 11th, 2005 at 5:47 am
Cheryl,
That is my fear as well, where do you find an objective panel??
The system indeed failed at all levels and we all have too much to lose if we can’t rise above partisan nonsense to get it fixed, and soon.
I also believe that if people redirected their energies toward actually helping make a difference and away from blame, name calling and vitriol we’d all end up the better for it.
Americans are what makes America great, and we must find a way to put aside the blame game, the racism charges and the fingerpointing and ensure that those in power at ALL levels serve us (and we each other) far better than we have in the past few weeks.
September 11th, 2005 at 6:18 am
sorry people I have to inform you MissD is a dyke.
September 11th, 2005 at 6:23 am
Gee, that was really necessary–and pathetic. Thanks for proving my point.
My husband would find your revelation quite a surprise.
September 11th, 2005 at 6:30 am
Yor husband is banging bush hence the reason he has 4 testicals so I dont think he cares your a carpet muncher.
September 11th, 2005 at 6:37 am
Once again, thank you for proving my point about name-calling and vitriol far better than I could have done without your help.
September 11th, 2005 at 7:06 am
BUSH hAS 4 TESTICALS,
I just reviewed what everyone has posted regarding this subject and before your insulting post to MissD you have not even posted on this thread. You have the right to post anything you want but I do not believe that outbursts like this will ever benefit this country or yourself. You leave the reader the feeling that you are a mean-spirited, small-minded individual.
Anything of value that you would like to voice would be great but attempt to show some intelligence please and avoid the above behavior.
September 11th, 2005 at 7:15 am
Cheryl,
Thank you.
September 11th, 2005 at 8:17 am
I think its wonderful an investigation has been called for by Bush, and many others. But, he should in no way be involved with it, other than by contributing any information asked for.
September 11th, 2005 at 8:19 am
you tell em cheryl…..your a pitbull girl…god bless ya
September 11th, 2005 at 8:22 am
I am in agreement with you but in our society today where political feelings run deep and to disagree and you see so many people refuse to believe or accept anything negative in regards to their canidate/party how do we truely find the poeple who can is able is conduct it without bias?
September 11th, 2005 at 8:45 am
Whitewater and all Keneth Star was involved with certainly is testiment to that Cheryl, good point. I suppose a bi-partisan group would be one option, an independent group should be heavily examined if they’re it, maybe even a U.N. group or something crazy like that. It either has to be balanced or completely oblivious to polotics and without any ties to parties. Bush is a well known figure to say the least, so I think a bipartisan would be best as long as it willing to work together, maybe with a green party chairman or something to settle politically motivated arguements.
September 11th, 2005 at 8:40 pm
Cheryl, the people didn’t leave when they were told to. PERIOD.
Saying benign stuff like “You fail to take into consideration the individuals who were simply not able to.” is predictably telling.
Every mother f’r I saw waddling around in the wet streets or hanging out on rooftops looked perfectly capable of evacuating to me.
The leak in your levy is that we have to concentrate all of our attention, money and govt. institutions on the people who are not capable of taking responsibility for themselves. I get that. God help me, I DO get that. What you do in the process of sheltering people by your insatiable compassion is actually generate a haven for rewarding dependance and irresponsibility. You don’t put a band-aid on cancer to stop the bleeding, you have to kill it.
I don’t have the stones to get into a deep philosophical debate about the failures of government because quite frankly, I don’t wake up and thank God I’m free because-of-the-government. The constitution shackles the government, doesn’t entitle it. No, I’m free just like those people who decided to stay. Who DECIDED to stay.
September 12th, 2005 at 2:39 am
I think Bush has 4….is pigvomit from the other day…is anyone still here worth communicating with or did he chase everyone away?
September 12th, 2005 at 3:02 am
I heard last night that the Red Cross called for 40,000 additional volunteers in order to keep shelters open and provide continuing assistance.
I believe that it would be a great idea (physically, mentally and emotionally) to encourage those who have been evacuated to those shelters to volunteer a small part of their time to help not only others, but themselves as well.
What should now be of paramount importance in this recovery is enabling those who are suffering through this loss to begin to rebuild their lives. While it has been a bit less than 2 weeks since Katrina struck, it is vitally important to find a way to transition from Katrina ‘victim’ to Katrina ’survivor’. Why not begin that journey by giving others (as well as one’s self) a hand up?
September 12th, 2005 at 5:09 am
2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
September 12th, 2005 at 6:40 am
Armyless,
“The leak in your levy is that we have to concentrate all of our attention, money and govt. institutions on the people who are not capable of taking responsibility for themselves. I get that. God help me, I DO get that. What you do in the process of sheltering people by your insatiable compassion is actually generate a haven for rewarding dependance and irresponsibility. You don’t put a band-aid on cancer to stop the bleeding, you have to kill it.”
As to your point that ‘my levy’ forces us to concentrate attention, money, and government institutions on the people who are not capable of taking responsibility for themselves I would like to point out that individuals in hospitals receiving treatments are not always able to leave on their owm, they depend on others to do what must be done to protect and keep them safe. There are other circumstances that the same apply.
Are you suggesting that because I am a stage 4 cancer patient unable to walk long distances because of side effects of the drugs that they give me and experiencing a medical crisis because of treatment, I should be left to die? It sounds like you are advocating ’survival of the fittest’ for our society. It that type of mob mentality something we really want to guide us?
As for focusing ‘money and govt. institutions on the people’. Why do we pay taxes? I currently pay income tax, sales tax, proerty tax and numberous other taxes that likely total over a person’s earnings at the current proverty. I am all for presonal responsibilty and agree that some of the people stranded were stranded because of their own stupidity but what if the ones who were not? Are you suggesting the citizens of the US deserve nothing from our Government?
If that is your arguement I would like you to explain what I should pay taxes for. I do not look at the government for my retirement, nor do they pay one penny of my medical bills. I personally worked to put myself thru college and I am currently paying my childrens way. If our government does not ‘owe’ any if us any type of service than I do not believe they should force us to pay taxes.
Our politicians go into office rich and leave after just a few years. They continue to draw their same pay, until they die, except that it may be increased from time to time, by cost of living adjustments. For instance, former Senator Bradley, and his wife, may be expected to draw $7,900,000, with Mrs. Bradley drawing $275,000 during the last year of her life. This is calculated on an average life span for each.
This money is taken from the general fund and we are being told that Social Security will not be there for us. Citizens of this country pay for SS but our elected officals pay nothing for their generous retirement package. I am more than happy to volunarily pay for taxes that fund the items I agree with and if the Government owes its citizens nothing than I believe that every time the government wants money only those that agree with them should have to pay it.
September 12th, 2005 at 8:00 am
yawn. I’ll read your 50 page post later.
September 12th, 2005 at 8:57 pm
Why, is it easier to ignore the governments responsibilty that they collect taxes for?
September 12th, 2005 at 9:12 pm
No it’s stupid and long winded. Fell asleep three times trying to make it past the first paragraph. I’ll try again later when I’ve had some time to recover.
September 12th, 2005 at 9:12 pm
Of course YOUR first paragraph, MY first paragraph is the best part
September 13th, 2005 at 12:42 am
I hope Bush’s investigation will meet the same fate as Nixon’s investigation of the Watergate burglary
September 13th, 2005 at 2:13 am
Regardless of the facts, right? Predictable.
September 13th, 2005 at 3:15 am
Or are you being intentional blind to the possibilities?
September 13th, 2005 at 3:17 am
Why when the facts are presented to you, Armyless, do you say you’ll read it later, and then say “regardless of the facts”?? Ignorance is bliss, eh?
September 13th, 2005 at 4:17 am
Lola you should wear extra underwear when you’re talking about crucifying a president. You’re starting to stain.
September 13th, 2005 at 4:29 am
Cheryl, I’m being intentionalLY observant. It’s probably not your fault that when you were a child nobody had the guts to tell you that your ideas stink. It’s one of those things that gets passed on the the next sorry person that has the misfortune of meeting you.
It’s one thing to look for wrongdoing, it’s quite another to mistake me for an apologetic parent figure who took pity on you when you opened your mouth.
The facts are self-evident.
A city built below sea-level, with outdated levees, started to sink. The FACT that this comes as a surprise to you (and your inability to GRASP the OBVIOUS) proves you are outdated, below reasoning, and starting to sink too.
How surprising… (yawn)
September 13th, 2005 at 11:19 am
Armyless,
Your need to put others down amazes me. My parents gifted me with the ability to make my own deciisions based on facts not emotions. My family has no fear in either agreeing or disagreeing with me but they at least show the courtesy of listening and debating facts not emotional bullshit.
NO was built on ground that it never should have been built on but it was. Guess what, it will be build on that exact same area of land by the government that you blindly follow. The reason is pure and simply economics if you can understand that.
NO is the 3rd largest port in the United States handling .5 of our countries exports in corn and .33 of our export in soy. Refusing to rebuilt NO would result in heavy cost increases. It also recieves 100 billion tons of shipment into their ports a year.
Those leeves were the responsibility of the Federal Government. May I direct your attention to the Army Corp of Engineering primary goal:
Water Resources (WR)
>Within available resources, provide the water resources infrastructure to enhance the Nation’s economic well being.
- WR1: Anticipate, identify, and address the water resource infrastructure
problems and development opportunities of the Nations and its major
river basins (e.g. Navigation, flood and coastal storm damage reduction,
hydropower, recreation facilities, water supply, etc.).
The Civil Works Program receives Federal funding through the annual Energy and Water Development Appropriations Act.
September 13th, 2005 at 11:19 am
So I guess you are right, the facts are self-evident to those who wish to look.
September 13th, 2005 at 11:10 pm
Please sign this…
http://tools.democracyforamerica.com/petition/katrina/action.php?id=2454327062cb3888
September 14th, 2005 at 12:03 am
“the government that you blindly follow. ”
This proves you are either illiterate, blind, or incurably entrenched in your blue Donkey Mascot suit.
I have posted the opposite for you.
September 14th, 2005 at 3:06 am
Heat-Related Mortality — Chicago, July 1995
During July 12-16, 1995, Chicago experienced unusually high maximum daily temperatures, ranging from 93 F to 104 F (33.9 C to 40.0 C). On July 13, the heat index* peaked at 119 F (48.3 C) — a record high for the city. This report describes the heat- related deaths reported by the Cook County Medical Examiner’s Office (CCMEO) during this heat wave.
Deaths classified as heat-related by the CCMEO met one of the following three criteria: 1) core body temperature of the decedent greater than or equal to 105 F ( greater than or equal to 40.6 C) at the time of or immediately after death, 2) substantial environmental or circumstantial evidence of heat as a contributor to death (e.g., decedent found in a room without air conditioning, all windows closed, and a high ambient temperature), or 3) decedent in a decomposed condition without evidence of other cause of death and with evidence that the decedent was last seen alive during the heat wave period.
During July 11-27, a total of 465 deaths were certified as heat-related by the CCMEO Figure_1; during July 4-10, no deaths were certified as heat-related. The highest number of heat-related deaths previously certified by the CCMEO — associated with a heat wave in 1988 — was 77. The number of heat-related deaths peaked 2 days after the heat index peaked. Deaths increased from 49 (July 14) to a maximum of 162 (July 15) Figure_1. Of the 465 decedents, 257 (55%) were male. Based on race-specific data, 229 (49%) decedents were black; 215 (46%), white; and 21 (5%), other racial/ethnic groups.** Within racial categories, 128 (56%) blacks were male, and 114 (53%) whites were male. Of the 437 decedents for whom age could be determined, age ranged from 3 years to 103 years (median: 75 years, mean: 72 years); 222 (51%) were aged greater than or equal to 75 years.
During July 13-21 (when most heat-related deaths were certified by the CCMEO), a total of 1177 deaths occurred in Chicago — an 85% increase over the same period in 1994 (637 deaths). Reported by: ER Donoghue, MD, MB Kalelkar, MD, MA Boehmer, Office of the Medical Examiner County of Cook, Chicago; J Wilhelm, MD, S Whitman, PhD, G Good, MS, S Lyne, RSM, Commissioner, City of Chicago Dept of Health; J Lumpkin, MD, L Landrum, MUPP, BJ Francis, MD, State Epidemiologist, Illinois Dept of Public Health. Div of Environmental Hazards and Health Effects, National Center for Environmental Health, CDC.
Editorial Note
Editorial Note: Excess mortality from hyperthermia and cardiovascular disease during heat waves has been well documented (2,3). The findings in Chicago by the CCMEO that blacks, males, and the elderly appear to be particularly susceptible to heat-related death are similar to previous studies of heat waves. During public health crises such as heat waves, state-specific mortality data are often incomplete or unavailable; therefore, data from medical examiners’ (MEs’) offices may be used to assess mortality during such crises. Although ME-based surveillance for heat-related deaths can prompt timely public health responses during heat waves, use of ME data is limited because of selection bias. Individual MEs and other persons who certify deaths (e.g., coroners and attending physicians) use varying criteria to determine which deaths are heat-related, largely because no standardized definition exists.
In the United States, lack of a uniform definition for heat-related death results in substantial variation in the criteria used to certify such deaths. The most stringent definition of heat-related death is a core body temperature of greater than or equal to 105 F (greater than or equal to 40.6 C) taken at the time of death, with no other reasonable explanation of death. This definition precludes certifying any death as heat-related if core body temperature is not measured before or near the time of death and may underestimate excess heat-related mortality. A nonspecific definition of heat-related death (which could include all deaths that occur during a heat wave) would overestimate this mortality. The definition used by the CCMEO to classify deaths as heat-related has remained unchanged since 1978 and is based on a reasonable approach (i.e., evidence of exposure to high levels of environmental heat). These two factors (as well as the finding that the data about heat-related deaths are consistent with preliminary data about total mortality in Chicago during July 1995) suggest that the CCMEO data did not overestimate heat-related mortality during that period.
The differential impact of a heat wave on specific population subgroups cannot be determined based on ME data alone because of incompleteness and potential bias (3,4). For example, based on CCMEO data, a disproportionately high number of heat-related deaths occurred among blacks in Chicago on July 15 Figure_1. Because CCMEO data do not include all deaths nor equally represent all socioeconomic status (SES) categories, it is not yet possible to completely describe mortality, calculate death rates, or determine whether the race- and sex-specific distribution of the heat-related deaths is disproportionate to overall mortality in Chicago. A case-control study is under way in Chicago to examine the influences of SES and specific environmental factors on heat-related mortality.
Despite their limitations, the data in this report confirm that 1) public health information should be directed toward susceptible populations (e.g., the elderly), 2) as in other heat waves (2,3), the time between the beginning of a heat wave and the resulting heat-related deaths (e.g., 2 days in Chicago) should be sufficient to disseminate prevention messages to the public, and 3) a standardized definition of heat-related death is needed.
Heat-related mortality is preventable. The most effective measures for preventing heat-related illness and death include reducing physical activity, drinking additional nonalcoholic liquids, and increasing the amount of time spent in air-conditioned environments. In addition, because increased air movement (e.g., fans) has been associated with heat stress when the ambient temperature exceeds approximately 100 F (37.8 C) and because fans are not protective at temperatures greater than 90 F (greater than 32.3 C) with humidity greater than 35% (the exact temperature varies with the humidity), fans should not be used for preventing heat-related illness in areas with high humidity (3,5). To further define information that can be used to identify persons at greatest risk during hot weather, CDC is collaborating with Chicago and Illinois health officials to determine risk factors to better target persons at increased risk for heat-related illness or death. A standard definition for heat-related death will be addressed at the February 1996 meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences.
References
Rothfusz LP. The heat index “equation” (or, more than you ever wanted to know about heat index). Fort Worth, Texas: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, National Weather Service, Office of Meteorology, 1990; publication no. SR 90-23.
Wainwright S, Buchanan S, Mainzer H. Cardiovascular mortality: the hidden peril of heat waves {Abstract}. In: Program and abstracts of the CDC Epidemic Intelligence Service 43rd annual conference. Atlanta, Georgia: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, CDC, 1994.
Kilbourne EM, Choi K, Jones TS, Thacker SB, and the Field Investigation Team. Risk factors for heat stroke: a case control study. JAMA 1982;247:3332-6.
Jones TS, Liang AP, Kilbourne EM, et al. Morbidity and mortality associated with the July 1980 heat wave in St. Louis and Kansas City, Missouri. JAMA 1982;247:3327-31.
Lee DH. Seventy-five years of searching for a heat index. Environ Res 1980;22:331-56.
* The heat index (i.e., the apparent temperature) is an estimation of the influence of temperature and humidity on the evaporative and radiative transfer of heat between a typical human and the atmosphere. The values can be derived from a chart available through the National Weather Service (1).
** The CCMEO categorizes race of decedents as black, white, or other.
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September 14th, 2005 at 4:43 am
The heat wave in July 1995 in Chicago was one of the worst weather-related disasters in Illinois history with approximately 525 deaths over a 5-day period. As noted by Changnon et al. (1996), “The loss of human life in hot spells in summer exceeds that caused by all other weather events in the United States combined, including lightning, rainstorms/floods, hurricanes, and tornadoes.” Weather hazards such as tornadoes, floods, lightning, and winter storms each result in about 100 deaths per year on average, while heat waves result in about 1000 deaths per year on average.
Why was the July 1995 event so severe?
Here are the records for Chicago at Midway airport:
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STATION: CHICAGO_MIDWAY_AP_3_SW, IL (Station ID: 111577)
Precip- || Snow Snow
itation High Low Mean Degree Fall Depth Observe
Year Mo Dy (in) (F) (F) (F) Days (in) (in) Time Source
1995 07 01 0.00 77 60 69 4 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 02 0.00 78 57 68 3 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 03 0.00 83 63 73 8 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 04 0.28 86 69 78 13 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 05 0.09 87 67 77 12 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 06 0.00 81 69 75 10 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 07 0.00 81 63 72 7 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 08 0.00 84 60 72 7 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 09 0.04 85 66 76 11 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 10 0.00 90 64 77 12 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 11 0.00 90 73 82 17 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 12 0.00 98 76 87 22 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 13 0.00 106 81 94 29 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 14 0.00 102 84 93 28 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 15 0.47 99 77 88 23 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 16 0.00 94 76 85 20 0.0 0 MID F
1995 07 17 0.00 89 73 81 16 0.0 0 MID F
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The really hot weather occurred from July 12 to July 16. The 106° F on July 13th set the record for the warmest July temperature since records began at Midway in 1928. Not only were the daytime temperatures high but the nighttime low temperatures were quite high (upper 70s and lower 80s) as well. Record humidity levels also accompanied the hot weather. The high humidity and high nighttime temperatures provided little relief from the heat.
Urban Heat Island
Another contributing factor in the heat wave is the so-called “urban heat island”. Urban heat islands are caused by the high concentration of buildings, parking lots, and roads in urban areas, which tend to absorb more heat in the day and radiate more heat at night than comparable rural sites. Therefore, urban areas usually experience a lot less cooling at night than do rural sites. Furthermore, temperature measurements at O’Hare Airport, a more suburban site, will not reflect the severity of the 1995 heat wave in the inner city.
Most of the victims of the 1995 heat wave were the elderly in the heart of the urban area. Many of the poorer older citizens either had no air conditioning or could not afford to operate the system they had. Many older citizens were also hesitant to open windows and doors at night for fear of crime. By contrast, in the heat waves of the 1930s, many residents slept outside in the parks or along the shore of Lake Michigan.
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September 16th, 2005 at 9:11 pm
Bush hatred to this extreme defies reason. Tends to reveal an unnatural dependancy on government.
September 16th, 2005 at 9:56 pm
Armyless,
Because someone does not like/approve if Bush they are automatically dependent on the government? That does not contain any logic. I know some extremely well off individuals who hate Bush and some really poor individuals who approve of him and neither set ‘depends’ on the government.
September 16th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
There’s plenty of logic, you just have to GET IT…. which you clearly don’t.
Bush hatred to THIS EXTREME, I said. Paraphrase your monkey liberal friends, not me.
September 16th, 2005 at 10:26 pm
Armyless,
Pretend I am as stupid as you would like to believe and explain your logic on how a Bush hater is dependent on Government. I would love to be able to understand the logic.
September 16th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Wait!! I think I got IT. Are you prepahs jumping to the conclusion that if someone hates/disapproves of Bush they must be on the welfare system because anyone that could possibly have a job has to love the guy?
Wow, that would have to be a huge generalizations not based in any factual data.
September 16th, 2005 at 10:34 pm
Jesus H. Christ sitting at the right hand of the throne of God Almighty Himself, help me please!
Bush hatred to THIS EXTREME… ok? TENDS to reveal an unnatural dependancy on government.
If your vitriol of a POLITICIAN so consumes you that your ability to reason boils away into vapid withdrawl from human senses… you TEND to show an unnatural FAVOR towards the POWER of GOVERNMENT and any politician therein to begin with.
September 16th, 2005 at 10:47 pm
Armyless,
I do not hate Bush. I do not blindly worship him either. I am fairly jaded about all politicians no matter what their politcal party. How do you feel and why?
But I promise you my ability to reason is just find and your argument about dependancy to government still does not hold up to any scientific test. You are leaping to conclusion based on emotions not fact. Where is there any facts to back up this claim of dependency? Without evidence you are reacting under emotions not logic.
September 16th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
Oh, and by the way I personally feel that the Government intrudes to much into individual rights and takes ways to much of my money in the form of taxes. What can you tell me about myself now?
September 16th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
It’s called common sense. I can tell you that you lack it. Though the only petre dish that can prove this scientifically is an empty one!
Hard to prove a negative, sorry.
September 16th, 2005 at 11:07 pm
Overlooking common cause
This fallacy is restricted to arguments to establish a cause. It is the mistake of finding a correlation between two things, then drawing a conclusion without checking for other variables that are also correlated with those two. This problem does not occur in a controlled experiment, but it is a common problem in a study of existing behaviors and events.
Let’s suppose we correlate two things, A and B. But perhaps A keeps turning up with B because some previous thing, X, is independently causing A and independently causing B. Here, X is the common cause of A and B.
Failure to screen for such things is the fallacy of overlooking common cause.
Example: I notice that when I get a sore throat, it will not be long before I get a runny nose. I conclude that sore throats are a cause of runny noses.
But this overlooks the common cause: I get a sore throat and then a runny nose because I first get a viral infection (a cold). The virus attacks my throat, giving me a sore throat, and it attacks my nasal passages, which respond defensively with mucus. The two things (sore throat and runny nose) are each caused by the virus, not one by the other.
I would have to say that you are the one lacking in common sense, you still have no direct link between your agruement.
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September 16th, 2005 at 11:14 pm
Insults only reflect the intelligence level of the person uttering them, I am more than happy to have an intelligent communication with you if you are able to do so. But please do not waste mine or anyone else’s time with the bs of conclusion that are not rooted in fact or logic.
I recognize that you feel it is rooted in logic, but if that is the case explain how so that everyone is able to follow what you call logic.Your statement:
“If your vitriol of a POLITICIAN so consumes you that your ability to reason boils away into vapid withdrawl from human senses… you TEND to show an unnatural FAVOR towards the POWER of GOVERNMENT and any politician therein to begin with.”
is based on assumptions, not facts . If I in fact experienced such vitriol against politicians would I not logical choose to minimize by contact and dependence on Government due to that feeling?
September 16th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
LOL, you’re asking for a factual representation of an OBSERVATION!
First of all, the comment was not directed at you. Funny that you thought it was.
Secondly, I’ll restate my observation more simply. “If your passion for matters of goverment consumes you to the point of obsession, you show a proclivity towards matters of government.
I’m not wrong.
September 16th, 2005 at 11:33 pm
Armyless,
It is usually when a person uses the word ” YOUR”to assume they are talking to you, and what I was asking for is an explanation for a statement that you made. If this is your personal observation than why not state that instead if presenting it like a fact?
As to your second statement I agree when Aa person is obessed with anything it is only logical that their inclination is towards governmental issues.
September 16th, 2005 at 11:33 pm
And Cheryl, you poor twit. Spare me your phantom intelligect. If you have to plagiarize your arguments from Philosophy 101 sources, you really are out of your league.
September 16th, 2005 at 11:34 pm
The word “TENDS” tends to remove a statement from the realm of FACT.
September 16th, 2005 at 11:41 pm
I actually got the information out of a statisical 101 book that I had left over from my college days and the purpose was to provide you with a very clear cut explanation that you could understand (not having any knowledge of your level of education).
As for the words “tends”, you still presented the statement as factual not opinion. You should not get so hostile when someone questions the basis of your assumptions.
September 16th, 2005 at 11:52 pm
the basis of my “observations” you mean.
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September 20th, 2005 at 8:09 pm
Now the Republicans are talking about taking away our prescription plan for seniors. In 2006 our medicare part b increases from $77 to $88 per month, our deductable increases from $100 to $120. We only got a two percent cost of living raise last year, however our rent, gas, heat, electricity, car insurance, food and medications went up well above that. There are no real tax breaks for seniors of any significance. The low middle class, the poor and seniors will be the ones paying for this mess.
No one wants to delay the NASA trip to the moon at a cost of $100 billion for just a few years, no one wants to withdraw the highway bill and take out the pork.
For those of you, who think you don’t have to worry probably don’t live on a fixed income with the cost of living that has increased beyond our means. You have not been refused medical care by a physician who no longer wants to take care of medicare patients.
We worked for forty to fifty years, we paid into medicare, this is not an entittlement. Will we, the seniors be paying for this by not getting any cost of living increase in 2006 but having to pay more each month for our medical care, and even more on co payments. I recently had surgery and can’t afford the medicare co payments for therapy.
Don’t think it can’t happen to you because it can. I am sick and tired of the excuses of our government and yes I do blame President Bush for placing someone at the head of FEMA who didn’t know what he was doing.
September 20th, 2005 at 9:50 pm
“our prescription plan”
Gimme gimme gimme! God you solialist nutjobs make me laugh.
September 21st, 2005 at 12:14 am
Who Will Pay,
I feel for you regarding medical/prescription cost. Fortunately, I was raised to believe that a system I was forced to pay into (in the way of a tax) would not even be there for me at my retirement That being said I started my independent retirement accounts and investments to help me when I get older.
Have you looked into any of the Rx assistant programs that some of the manufacturers have. If your income falls within their guidelines a lot of medications are given for free from the company. You might research this.
September 21st, 2005 at 12:18 am
To everyone,
Following the same thread, can anyone here till me why the government forces every working person (and their employer) in the US to pay social security tax but if you die before you are old enough to collect on it and have no dependent children it is right for the federal government to keep it?
Why does this money not go into the person’s estate? You are the one (and your employer) who had to sacrifice that money all those years but the government is the one, not your heirs, who benefit. It really pisses me off.
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Thanks Armyless. When I was helping get my mother on ss disability I tried to corner one of social security employees about this exact issue. I was told well it is there to help you or your siblings, my response ‘we all have worked since we were 17 and have piad into our own. Then he tried to say it would help my dad-wrong for the exact same reason it would not help us.
My mother ended up collecting for less than two years before she passed, because she was not at retirement age they only gave her abuot 400 a month and made bank when you consider the 6.42% that both her and her employers had to pay. From as long as I can remember she always worked (at least part-time) and paid these taxes. The government is the only one who beneifted.
September 21st, 2005 at 10:38 am
My wife is diabetic and will never live long enough to collect from social security, yet she pays it dutifully.
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September 21st, 2005 at 9:12 pm
As bad as that is, social healthcare is the DMV of Hospitals.
September 21st, 2005 at 10:30 pm
Okay Armyless my chemobrain is just not working very well today. I almost hate to as, what is DMV?
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